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TWL
May 11, 2004 15:45:58 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Valan on May 11, 2004 15:45:58 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, TWL takes the cake for this one (see thowsquad.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Matches&action=display&thread=1083815868). Sure we got duped, sure if we were on our toes we could have stopped it from happening this way. No, we haven't actually found proof, have we get verificatied that no cheats were used based on CDC logs? You don't blame a theft victim! Even (especially) if the victim was stupid. Even if the crime isn't substantiated, if someone feels they were victimized you have to dig deeper to evaluate what happened. TWL doesn't seem to see it this way. The tone of their messages are consistent with "shaddup, you spilled something on your shirt." I'm very disappointed with TWL for supporting deceit, and trying to suppress our complaint by avoiding the issue (treating the issue as a server setting instead of a cheating issue) and threatening us (by holding our ladder position as a punishment), instead of helping to get to the bottom of what actually happened. It's not just one moderator, when I posted they locked the thread, so if they don't respond with something, then I can justify blaming the whole TWL. This is first class oppression, because they own something we want they are going to hold it over our heads to make us do what they want. Sorry, I don't play that game. I'll wait long enough for my attitude to cool-off, evaluate if I think TWL is a cheat-ladder, and then decide if I want to (in no particular order) 1) cheat, 2) quit TWL, or 3) quit AAO.
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TWL
May 11, 2004 16:23:33 GMT -5
Post by 10thSFGPhantom on May 11, 2004 16:23:33 GMT -5
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TWL
May 11, 2004 16:27:09 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Valan on May 11, 2004 16:27:09 GMT -5
Thanks Phantom, I appreciate that.
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TWL
May 12, 2004 9:35:14 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Devil inside on May 12, 2004 9:35:14 GMT -5
hey phantom thank you, and by the way i know u are really anti cheats but can u tell me where i can send aa hacks to evenbalance so they will do a pb update so they will be detected?
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TWL
May 12, 2004 22:19:45 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Kaptain Krunch on May 12, 2004 22:19:45 GMT -5
[quote author=[ThOw]Valan link=board=trash&thread=1084308358&start=0#0 date=1084308358]As far as I'm concerned, TWL takes the cake for this one (see thowsquad.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Matches&action=display&thread=1083815868). Sure we got duped, sure if we were on our toes we could have stopped it from happening this way. No, we haven't actually found proof, have we get verificatied that no cheats were used based on CDC logs? You don't blame a theft victim! Even (especially) if the victim was stupid. Even if the crime isn't substantiated, if someone feels they were victimized you have to dig deeper to evaluate what happened. TWL doesn't seem to see it this way. The tone of their messages are consistent with "shaddup, you spilled something on your shirt." I'm very disappointed with TWL for supporting deceit, and trying to suppress our complaint by avoiding the issue (treating the issue as a server setting instead of a cheating issue) and threatening us (by holding our ladder position as a punishment), instead of helping to get to the bottom of what actually happened. It's not just one moderator, when I posted they locked the thread, so if they don't respond with something, then I can justify blaming the whole TWL. This is first class oppression, because they own something we want they are going to hold it over our heads to make us do what they want. Sorry, I don't play that game. I'll wait long enough for my attitude to cool-off, evaluate if I think TWL is a cheat-ladder, and then decide if I want to (in no particular order) 1) cheat, 2) quit TWL, or 3) quit AAO.[/quote] Val, I would send them this message I like it
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TWL
May 12, 2004 23:45:18 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Wrathbin on May 12, 2004 23:45:18 GMT -5
Guys I have had it out with the TWL admins, came close to getting banned from TWL because of this, as leed TWL cordinator I will tell you this, we have lost the battle but have not lost the war as of yet, you will be happy to know that I am still giving these guys hell and Psicotic is gone until the 17 of may, when he gets back he has a nice little email waiting for him and if he doen't respond I will go over his head.
I did not report the loss because of the threat, actually I told them basicly they could kiss my ass, just not in that way, I told them I wasn't reporting loss until I heard back from Terror because Psicotic was gone, well basiclly Terror did what I expected him to do and here is a copy of what he put in his email.
(Latinking was correct in his ruling, and do you think that if they were cheating in the first half, they would have turned the cheats off on thier own without being told? The match will stand. Terror)
As you can see its basicly a hopeless matter, the TWL admins will stick together, its sad but true, they don't care what is right all they care about is that there friends dont lose disputes, Well you know something TWL I hope you come in and read this, you can kiss my white ass biatches, now go ahead and ban me for posting on my forum.
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TWL
May 13, 2004 0:57:20 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Goof3y on May 13, 2004 0:57:20 GMT -5
HaHAHAHAhAhaHahAHA I LOVE U GUYS!!!!!! Now finally u guys now know how i feel about tards like these admins and so and so.... If you guys like ill tell these admins to go F*** themselves like i did on 1.2 which got my acc bann ;D ;D ;D or we can do the long boring way of putting out words about how TWL suckass sooo much they cant handle shit like cant even stop hackers from hacking an ADMIN on TWL...
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TWL
May 13, 2004 10:07:53 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Valan on May 13, 2004 10:07:53 GMT -5
How moronic can you be?! I've haven't explained publicly and in detail why it matters. The reason they turned cheats off was so that we couldn't cheat! One of them was saying "it doesn't matter what side you're on, you both want to stay alive". Yes, you do want to stay alive, but only one team can capture the objectives!! That's also why they wanted to take ambush first, they wanted cheats on for the second half not the first half, but we forced them into the first half. And then why did things change? There was probably an admin that was working things the whole time.
Whatever, Goofy, you're right, these guys are *BLANK*. Although we still can't explain, if they were using cheats, why didn't CDC catch them? Why weren't cheat messages displayed? Was it because of some hack? Was it because of an admin? Or are we just conspiracy theory paranoid?
But it's only one fight. If we choose who we can challenge, I say we harass [FR] until we're certain that either 1) they were cheating, or 2) that they are as good as they seemed that one day. Especially target seniormanuel. If he's as good as he was that day, he'll be 2x better than anyone else playing on any map. If you find him sucking, then he turned off cheats. And look for the keyphrase "seniormanual is a winner", it may actually be a cheat message. Also note that Sundown has an attitude... masterguns and talon seem cool, they don't seem like a cheat-clan.
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TWL
May 13, 2004 12:11:52 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Valan on May 13, 2004 12:11:52 GMT -5
The biggest thing that bugs me about TWL is that they are putting the burdeon of proof on us, and at the same time insulting us. They aren't even trying to defend [FR], common filibuster technique is to accuse the accuser to distract from the actual issue: whether someone cheated. Which means that they have either dismissed the possability of a valid complaint without proper consideration, or they are covering up.
It's right for the admin's to stick together. TWL has a big job and a low budget, we can only expect so much from them and they can only expect so much from their volunteers. They have to support eachother because if they don't they wont have any volunteers and we wont have a TWL.
What bothers me is that there is no attempt to resolve the issue. No one has talked about CDS logs. I don't know how to look at CDS logs and I don't know what I'd find if I saw them. Has any admin asked us if we'd seen the logs? Have any of them offered to help us figure them out? I would like to see a log.
I'm not trying to recover our match loss, it's water under the bridge. I want to keep TWL cheat-free. I want to be confident that TWL is cheat-free to decide if I'm going to continue to participate in their ladders. I want to know if [FR] has cheaters in their clan. I want to know if I got beaten by some exceptional players or if I got tricked by some mediocre hackers.
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TWL
May 13, 2004 12:38:54 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Valan on May 13, 2004 12:38:54 GMT -5
Here's a technique which they might have used to cheat. This would be undetectable by punkbuster, and likely be undetectable by CDS, and very easy to do with a hex-editor.
Use a hex-editor to go through the binary AAO files until you find the messages "turned god mode on". Chances are there is more than one, so you have to keep looking. Edit " turned god mode on" to ": has women to ****". Both strings contain 19 characters, so the filesize will not change. Be certain that the file modify-date is not changed, one might do this under Linux so that Windows doesn't know what's going on. This way cheat messages will appear as if they were talking trash. I don't know what CDC logs, if it only logs the text then this would look like normal communication. Normal communication may not be logged by CDC, so if we saw it in CDC logs then we'd have evidence of cheating.
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TWL
May 13, 2004 12:40:54 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Valan on May 13, 2004 12:40:54 GMT -5
I am not a hacker! I wouldn't even be thinking about this if it weren't for being mistreated. Can you tell that I'm getting obsessed over this? This is the sort of thing that I'm POed at TWL for not following up on.
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TWL
May 13, 2004 15:04:59 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Kaptain Krunch on May 13, 2004 15:04:59 GMT -5
[quote author=[ThOw]Valan link=board=trash&thread=1084308358&start=9#0 date=1084469934]Here's a technique which they might have used to cheat. This would be undetectable by punkbuster, and likely be undetectable by CDS, and very easy to do with a hex-editor. Use a hex-editor to go through the binary AAO files until you find the messages "turned god mode on". Chances are there is more than one, so you have to keep looking. Edit " turned god mode on" to ": has women to ****". Both strings contain 19 characters, so the filesize will not change. Be certain that the file modify-date is not changed, one might do this under Linux so that Windows doesn't know what's going on. This way cheat messages will appear as if they were talking trash. I don't know what CDC logs, if it only logs the text then this would look like normal communication. Normal communication may not be logged by CDC, so if we saw it in CDC logs then we'd have evidence of cheating.[/quote] Hmmm, YOU HACK !!! ;D ;D ;D I think I will send this to all the Admins that were in on this shit
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TWL
May 13, 2004 15:26:33 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Kaptain Krunch on May 13, 2004 15:26:33 GMT -5
I sent a copy to everyone of the damn Admins at TWL. If they don't like it .....well they can all kiss my ass....I will let Wrathbin handle it from here....just wanted to put my 15 min of spot lite in on it
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TWL
May 13, 2004 15:27:08 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]kolonial on May 13, 2004 15:27:08 GMT -5
This is ****ing beautiful. I look in the Hall of Shame, and I see - not a player, not even a clan - but Team Warfare League. This cheating-because-I-have-no-life-and-a-very-small-penis shit has reached epidemic proportions.
Oh, and I recognized a name there - masterguns. Not sure if it's the same guy I'm thinking of, but if it is, he is actually a prick. Could be a different guy though. And the guy I'm thinking of would use such tactics as described above.
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TWL
May 13, 2004 15:52:26 GMT -5
Post by [ThOw]Kaptain Krunch on May 13, 2004 15:52:26 GMT -5
[quote author=[ThOw]Valan link=board=trash&thread=1084308358&start=9#0 date=1084469934]Here's a technique which they might have used to cheat. This would be undetectable by punkbuster, and likely be undetectable by CDS, and very easy to do with a hex-editor. Use a hex-editor to go through the binary AAO files until you find the messages "turned god mode on". Chances are there is more than one, so you have to keep looking. Edit " turned god mode on" to ": has women to ****". Both strings contain 19 characters, so the filesize will not change. Be certain that the file modify-date is not changed, one might do this under Linux so that Windows doesn't know what's going on. This way cheat messages will appear as if they were talking trash. I don't know what CDC logs, if it only logs the text then this would look like normal communication. Normal communication may not be logged by CDC, so if we saw it in CDC logs then we'd have evidence of cheating.[/quote] I posted a copy of this on TWL forums....Yea, yea, yea, I know you are not suppose to do it, but what the hell...I am sure they will Ban me from their forums, or do a big EDIT..... ;D ;D I don't care
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